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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Catherine Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our 24-year old son has some un-diagnosed but troubling emotional problems. Didn&#039;t graduate w/his high school class, and blamed the faculty and us for not graduating on time. Has had 2 arrests; trouble holding down a job-doesn&#039;t comply with the employer&#039;s rules. No job, no car, and yet expects to get treated like royalty at home. He spends nites in a friend of our&#039;s basement, but still causes problems when at our house either with his father or his twin brother. Cusses at us and blows up when things don&#039;t go his way. We&#039;ve made it clear he can NOT come home and live with us, and wonder what the future holds for him. Suggestions for how we can go about getting help for him? Took him to psychiatrist one year ago, and simply diagnosed hime with depression- not much help. Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our 24-year old son has some un-diagnosed but troubling emotional problems. Didn&#8217;t graduate w/his high school class, and blamed the faculty and us for not graduating on time. Has had 2 arrests; trouble holding down a job-doesn&#8217;t comply with the employer&#8217;s rules. No job, no car, and yet expects to get treated like royalty at home. He spends nites in a friend of our&#8217;s basement, but still causes problems when at our house either with his father or his twin brother. Cusses at us and blows up when things don&#8217;t go his way. We&#8217;ve made it clear he can NOT come home and live with us, and wonder what the future holds for him. Suggestions for how we can go about getting help for him? Took him to psychiatrist one year ago, and simply diagnosed hime with depression- not much help. Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I don&#039;t even know where to start, except that I&#039;m very glad I found this site. I came online to look up info on ODD, hoping to help our daughter whose almost 30 with 2 kids. She was diagnosed at 14 with ODD after I was woken up at 2am by a policeman standing in my bedroom. Seriously! Unknown to us, she has made friends with the worst girl in her class, according to her teacher. 

  I called my husband at work (he worked nights then) and he came home. We took her right over to the ER, thinking she was on drugs. She was neg. for drugs but they kept her for a week &amp; she was diagnosed with ODD. The doctor called me &amp; I&#039;ll never forget what he said. He told me she was downright spoiled &amp; had way too much control in our home. And he was right. 

  She had been an only child for 11 years before our son came along &amp; she was the center of our world, especially mine, as my husband worked long, rotating hours as a teamster driver. He was usually home on week-ends. Things calmed down for a few years after that, when we put her back into private Christian school. 

  But at 16, after my husband let her go back to public school, it started all over again right away. She was out of control and she hated my guts. This is a child who was almost catered to, I&#039;m ashamed to admit. Never laid a hand on her, rarely ever yelled at her. 

 Yet, as soon as she got back into public school, she started getting in trouble at school for fighting, refused to do her school work, even though she was A&#039;s &amp; B&#039;s in private school, and started running away. I would spend nights, with our baby son in the car, riding around half the night looking for her. One time, she stayed hidden at a friend&#039;s house for a month. I nearly went crazy with fright.

 Then she met &quot;John&quot; - the biggest loser we ever saw. We did everything we could to keep them apart. She became pregnant at 17 and, unfortunately, she married the jerk. We later found out he was diagnosed as Bi-polar but I&#039;m sure he has ODD as well. Well, that was 12 years ago and they have lived with us most of that time. 

  They just moved in one day to our garage apartment. He rarely worked, as he usually got fired from his jobs. He sat around playing video games &amp; being emotionally abusive to me, her, and the kids, constantly refusing to let me see our G-daughters every time he got mad at me. He ran around on our daughter constantly.

Our daughter actually later calmed down for most of that time &amp; turned out to be a very good mother. She got a job &amp; also put her self through enough schooling to get a better job &amp; has been there part time for about 5 years now. 

A couple years ago, he took up with his latest mistress &amp; walked out 3 days before Thanksgiving. Our daughter &amp; the kids were hysterical. He called on Thanksgiving Day to tell his kids, &quot;Daddy&#039;s not coming home anymore.&quot;

Needless to say, our daughter completely fell apart, became profoundly depressed and has reverted back again to hating my guts. These two have cost us so much money, wiped out our savings, due to having to basically support another whole family all those years. 

  Since he left, she talked her Dad into co-signing an expensive apt. lease &amp; then refused to get a full time job to pay for it. I begged him not to do it but she was always Daddy&#039;s girl. He never said no to her in her life. In the last two years, she&#039;s managed to totally screw up her credit, never pays her bills. We got stuck with her apt. rent. &amp; she has gotten numerous speeding tickets, &amp; now in trouble with law after getting caught with dead tags, speeding, etc. her Atty suggested she agree to some jail time to avoid all the points.

I&#039;m at the end of my rope. I&#039;ve tried to talk her into counseling &amp; medication but she refuses. I can&#039;t force them out because of the kids and she knows this. She treats her Dad like gold &amp; me like dirt. She screams horrible things at me in front of the kids. She refuses to clean her place or make the kids pick up. It&#039;s a pig sti. She won&#039;t pay rent or even help with utilities. She couldn&#039;t get a place now if she wanted to. She hardly spends any time with her kids anymore &amp; has become downright neglectful. They spend much of their time down with us &amp; we make sure they&#039;re taken care of but they&#039;re doing poorly in school because she won&#039;t pay any attention. 

  It&#039;s like watching your child on a runaway freight train &amp; not being able to do anything about it. It&#039;s the worst feeling in the world to love your child so much &amp; know she hates you so much and nothing will ever change. It&#039;s also heartbreaking to watch the pain our G-daughters feel. 

 They&#039;ve become very angry, sullen little girls. I&#039;m so scared what will happen with them in a couple years. And now my husband has a bad heart &amp; is on permanent disability. I don&#039;t know what to do. I sit up at night worrying about everyone, like I&#039;m doing now at 1 am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I don&#8217;t even know where to start, except that I&#8217;m very glad I found this site. I came online to look up info on ODD, hoping to help our daughter whose almost 30 with 2 kids. She was diagnosed at 14 with ODD after I was woken up at 2am by a policeman standing in my bedroom. Seriously! Unknown to us, she has made friends with the worst girl in her class, according to her teacher. </p>
<p>  I called my husband at work (he worked nights then) and he came home. We took her right over to the ER, thinking she was on drugs. She was neg. for drugs but they kept her for a week &amp; she was diagnosed with ODD. The doctor called me &amp; I&#8217;ll never forget what he said. He told me she was downright spoiled &amp; had way too much control in our home. And he was right. </p>
<p>  She had been an only child for 11 years before our son came along &amp; she was the center of our world, especially mine, as my husband worked long, rotating hours as a teamster driver. He was usually home on week-ends. Things calmed down for a few years after that, when we put her back into private Christian school. </p>
<p>  But at 16, after my husband let her go back to public school, it started all over again right away. She was out of control and she hated my guts. This is a child who was almost catered to, I&#8217;m ashamed to admit. Never laid a hand on her, rarely ever yelled at her. </p>
<p> Yet, as soon as she got back into public school, she started getting in trouble at school for fighting, refused to do her school work, even though she was A&#8217;s &amp; B&#8217;s in private school, and started running away. I would spend nights, with our baby son in the car, riding around half the night looking for her. One time, she stayed hidden at a friend&#8217;s house for a month. I nearly went crazy with fright.</p>
<p> Then she met &#8220;John&#8221; &#8211; the biggest loser we ever saw. We did everything we could to keep them apart. She became pregnant at 17 and, unfortunately, she married the jerk. We later found out he was diagnosed as Bi-polar but I&#8217;m sure he has ODD as well. Well, that was 12 years ago and they have lived with us most of that time. </p>
<p>  They just moved in one day to our garage apartment. He rarely worked, as he usually got fired from his jobs. He sat around playing video games &amp; being emotionally abusive to me, her, and the kids, constantly refusing to let me see our G-daughters every time he got mad at me. He ran around on our daughter constantly.</p>
<p>Our daughter actually later calmed down for most of that time &amp; turned out to be a very good mother. She got a job &amp; also put her self through enough schooling to get a better job &amp; has been there part time for about 5 years now. </p>
<p>A couple years ago, he took up with his latest mistress &amp; walked out 3 days before Thanksgiving. Our daughter &amp; the kids were hysterical. He called on Thanksgiving Day to tell his kids, &#8220;Daddy&#8217;s not coming home anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Needless to say, our daughter completely fell apart, became profoundly depressed and has reverted back again to hating my guts. These two have cost us so much money, wiped out our savings, due to having to basically support another whole family all those years. </p>
<p>  Since he left, she talked her Dad into co-signing an expensive apt. lease &amp; then refused to get a full time job to pay for it. I begged him not to do it but she was always Daddy&#8217;s girl. He never said no to her in her life. In the last two years, she&#8217;s managed to totally screw up her credit, never pays her bills. We got stuck with her apt. rent. &amp; she has gotten numerous speeding tickets, &amp; now in trouble with law after getting caught with dead tags, speeding, etc. her Atty suggested she agree to some jail time to avoid all the points.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m at the end of my rope. I&#8217;ve tried to talk her into counseling &amp; medication but she refuses. I can&#8217;t force them out because of the kids and she knows this. She treats her Dad like gold &amp; me like dirt. She screams horrible things at me in front of the kids. She refuses to clean her place or make the kids pick up. It&#8217;s a pig sti. She won&#8217;t pay rent or even help with utilities. She couldn&#8217;t get a place now if she wanted to. She hardly spends any time with her kids anymore &amp; has become downright neglectful. They spend much of their time down with us &amp; we make sure they&#8217;re taken care of but they&#8217;re doing poorly in school because she won&#8217;t pay any attention. </p>
<p>  It&#8217;s like watching your child on a runaway freight train &amp; not being able to do anything about it. It&#8217;s the worst feeling in the world to love your child so much &amp; know she hates you so much and nothing will ever change. It&#8217;s also heartbreaking to watch the pain our G-daughters feel. </p>
<p> They&#8217;ve become very angry, sullen little girls. I&#8217;m so scared what will happen with them in a couple years. And now my husband has a bad heart &amp; is on permanent disability. I don&#8217;t know what to do. I sit up at night worrying about everyone, like I&#8217;m doing now at 1 am.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I commend you for the courage to admit this. I hope you find the help you need for the sake of those that love you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I commend you for the courage to admit this. I hope you find the help you need for the sake of those that love you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Cathy</title>
		<link>http://itsaboutthem.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/adults-with-odd/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have to be willing to take it though....and they have to be willing to follow through. I like the idea though but I guess I&#039;ve lost hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have to be willing to take it though&#8230;.and they have to be willing to follow through. I like the idea though but I guess I&#8217;ve lost hope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by jenifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg when i read your blog it sounded like i wrote it myself!!!!  Ive been married 13 years and my marriage has been atrain wreck.  One ctastrophy after another.  I was 7 months pregnant when we got married, after i begged him to marry me, cause he took off and couldnt face the situation. I thought he was just imature.  He wont pay our bills on time only after things get shut off he wont open the mail, he argues with me over everything.  If i have a rule for our son, my husband completely ignores it and will do the complete opposite.  If he thinks someone is driving to close to him in the parking lot he wont dare move over!!! even with our son in the car.  Its the constant opposition to EVERYTHING!!! Hes been fired from 2 jobs inthe last two years, but its everyone elses fault.  Hes left jobs on very bad terms about to be fired. I will come home with a lead on a job and hell just say no i dont want to work there, no its too far blah blah blah. If i suggest it im screwed!!!!!Meanwhile, we cant pay our bills and have no groceries or insurance,to make sure oyr son with add is able to get his meds.  its just not normal!!!!!  I would leave if i could but we only have one car cause our credit is so bad we cant get another loan.  My credit was perfectwhen i met him. My bills were ALWAYS pai. He has slowly unraveled my life. He has outbursts of anger, but its always my fault.Ive told hom alot that hes emotionally abusive to me, he thinks  im dramatic. I think this isthe answer. im not crazy.the worst part is i cant even suggest this to him, even in a gentle loving way, or ill be punished. He will withdrawl from me for days!!! He wont speak to me or help me with chores, nothing. In a way its more peaceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg when i read your blog it sounded like i wrote it myself!!!!  Ive been married 13 years and my marriage has been atrain wreck.  One ctastrophy after another.  I was 7 months pregnant when we got married, after i begged him to marry me, cause he took off and couldnt face the situation. I thought he was just imature.  He wont pay our bills on time only after things get shut off he wont open the mail, he argues with me over everything.  If i have a rule for our son, my husband completely ignores it and will do the complete opposite.  If he thinks someone is driving to close to him in the parking lot he wont dare move over!!! even with our son in the car.  Its the constant opposition to EVERYTHING!!! Hes been fired from 2 jobs inthe last two years, but its everyone elses fault.  Hes left jobs on very bad terms about to be fired. I will come home with a lead on a job and hell just say no i dont want to work there, no its too far blah blah blah. If i suggest it im screwed!!!!!Meanwhile, we cant pay our bills and have no groceries or insurance,to make sure oyr son with add is able to get his meds.  its just not normal!!!!!  I would leave if i could but we only have one car cause our credit is so bad we cant get another loan.  My credit was perfectwhen i met him. My bills were ALWAYS pai. He has slowly unraveled my life. He has outbursts of anger, but its always my fault.Ive told hom alot that hes emotionally abusive to me, he thinks  im dramatic. I think this isthe answer. im not crazy.the worst part is i cant even suggest this to him, even in a gentle loving way, or ill be punished. He will withdrawl from me for days!!! He wont speak to me or help me with chores, nothing. In a way its more peaceful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, is this just ODD, or is there a co-existing missed dx like an autism spectrum disorder?
I see you love him...do him  (and You!) a favor, and do some more research about what ELSE he may have.
Best to you both,
Di</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, is this just ODD, or is there a co-existing missed dx like an autism spectrum disorder?<br />
I see you love him&#8230;do him  (and You!) a favor, and do some more research about what ELSE he may have.<br />
Best to you both,<br />
Di</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like an Autism Spectrum disorder, along with ODD...not an expert, just live with it...Google it, see what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like an Autism Spectrum disorder, along with ODD&#8230;not an expert, just live with it&#8230;Google it, see what you think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop enabling her!...period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop enabling her!&#8230;period!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to seem insensitive...but are you kidding!!!!?????He is an adult...kick him to the curb and stop enabling bad behaviour...take your own life back.

Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to seem insensitive&#8230;but are you kidding!!!!?????He is an adult&#8230;kick him to the curb and stop enabling bad behaviour&#8230;take your own life back.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Adults with ODD? by Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little in shock.  I had recently heard about ODD and read the symptoms and thought &quot;this sounds like my husband&quot;.  However, I had thought it sounds like a lot of people.  Then, I got on here and read some of the &quot;real life&quot; symptoms in all the situations posted and screamed at me to pay attention.

Can someone help me to understand the disease a little better.  Does it feel subtle?  I am so confused.  

My husband does argue over everything and cannot take any criticisim but he turns it all around on me.  He refuses to stick with any one set of rules when disciplining our children.  He lashes out at me calling me a &quot;bitch&quot; b/c I dont want him to lay on me when I am sleeping.  It feels like emotional bullying b/c it wears you down.  However, he always manages to make me feel that it is my fault or that it is b/c of what I contribute to the situation that causes it to go so awry.  

I too thought he had a &quot;passive aggressive personality&quot;.  My husband also had a messed up childhood that included sexual abuse, drug overuse in teens, getting a girl pregnant and ending it in abortion, a previous divorce, affairs on me and two job firings.  He believes he is unscathed from all the things in his childhood and has said that if I could just let the other stuff go it would not be a big deal.  At one point, I just thought he was immature.  I cannot figure out what is my part in this and what is his.  He is a very loving father and I know he loves me.  That makes this even harder.  I am at the end of my rope though feeling like my life is in constant turmoil.  It is always a struggle.

Am I looking at a person with ODD or am I confused?  How do you know?  What do you do if the person does not think they do anything wrong or will call you crazy if you suggest this to them?  Even if I read him all of your stories he would say he is different b/c... or he would say that it is not this bad and that I am being dramatic.  HELP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little in shock.  I had recently heard about ODD and read the symptoms and thought &#8220;this sounds like my husband&#8221;.  However, I had thought it sounds like a lot of people.  Then, I got on here and read some of the &#8220;real life&#8221; symptoms in all the situations posted and screamed at me to pay attention.</p>
<p>Can someone help me to understand the disease a little better.  Does it feel subtle?  I am so confused.  </p>
<p>My husband does argue over everything and cannot take any criticisim but he turns it all around on me.  He refuses to stick with any one set of rules when disciplining our children.  He lashes out at me calling me a &#8220;bitch&#8221; b/c I dont want him to lay on me when I am sleeping.  It feels like emotional bullying b/c it wears you down.  However, he always manages to make me feel that it is my fault or that it is b/c of what I contribute to the situation that causes it to go so awry.  </p>
<p>I too thought he had a &#8220;passive aggressive personality&#8221;.  My husband also had a messed up childhood that included sexual abuse, drug overuse in teens, getting a girl pregnant and ending it in abortion, a previous divorce, affairs on me and two job firings.  He believes he is unscathed from all the things in his childhood and has said that if I could just let the other stuff go it would not be a big deal.  At one point, I just thought he was immature.  I cannot figure out what is my part in this and what is his.  He is a very loving father and I know he loves me.  That makes this even harder.  I am at the end of my rope though feeling like my life is in constant turmoil.  It is always a struggle.</p>
<p>Am I looking at a person with ODD or am I confused?  How do you know?  What do you do if the person does not think they do anything wrong or will call you crazy if you suggest this to them?  Even if I read him all of your stories he would say he is different b/c&#8230; or he would say that it is not this bad and that I am being dramatic.  HELP!</p>
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